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Where did our religious beliefs come from? Are we standing on a solid, spiritual foundation or are our beliefs un-provable myths? This page answers these two vitally important questions.

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Believability Problems

The Context in which Christianity was Born

Was Man Made in God's Image?` (Or is the reverse true?)

Miracles

Head, Heart, and Courage

The Old Boy's Club

Incongruencies and Self-Contradictions

Countermanding Evidence and Lies of Omission

Defending the Lie

Editor's Note

Many people will consider the evidence offered on this page to be a harsh criticism of the present-day, Christian social structures. The statements below may seem harsh, but they are also an essential ingredient in bringing a revitalization to Christianity. In order to get to a destination, it is critically important to know where one is.

The Reasonables' N.V.P. Team is pointing out these problems NOT to put anybody down or to make anybody wrong, but rather to show that by bringing the mind into one's religion, additional and much more logical ways show up to look at these problems and to step beyond them.

For those who have eyes willing to see, ears willing to hear, and minds willing to know the truth, The Reasonables' New Vision Project is offering an expanded and open-minded vision of Christianity -- a vision that steps outside the boundaries built centuries ago by the traditional Christian leaders -- a vision that place humans and God in the same body -- a vision that acknowledge the divinity of and in every human being -- a vision that inspires people to bring God-consciousness into everyday human life -- a vision that picks human kind out of the mud of ignorance and stands us up to walk on Earth as fellow God-beings.

The project offers previously ignored variations on the themes given to us by the teachings of Jesus. For example, how many of you believe the Bible is the word of God? Then why do you deny the words of Jesus in John 14:12? "Anything I can do, you can do and more."

Believability Problems

When one examines the theology of fundamentalist Christianity, several believability problems arise. For example, looking at the Christian Bible as a book of symbolic metaphors and teaching stories and as a historical treatise of life in the middle East 2000 years ago allows readers to step beyond the major believability problems that arise when one views the Bible as the literal word of God and as the only sacred book that God ever wrote (or inspired to be written).

The text below will show readers some of the more obvious places were a new vision can be very helpful.

The Context within which Christianity Was Born:

Imagine, for a moment, the life and times of early Christianity. The contexts, that is the physical conditions, the social establishments, and the lifestyles of the people of the times out of which the Christian religion was birthed, were so drastically different from what we know today that the average person simply cannot imagine them with any degree of accuracy.

In addition to the physical conditions, the common beliefs of those days were also drastically different from today's basic beliefs. The list below includes some of basic beliefs which formed the foundation upon which Christianity, as we know it today, was formed:

People were highly superstitious and could only guess about how the universe functioned.

The Earth was believed to be flat like a three layered cake, with heaven above the clouds and hell beneath the one's feet.

Idol worship and sacrificing animals to appease God ( or Gods) was considered normal.

A common belief was that there were multitudes of gods, each having his/her own attributes and human-like personalities.

The Christian version of God came to be that of a superhuman being sitting on a cloud in a place above the Earth called heaven.

A superhuman evil character, named the Devil, controlled a world of hellfire and brimstone beneath the Earth.

God and the Devil were constantly at war with each other. Humans were helpless pawns in this war.

The human goal was to appease God, beg Him for favors, and do as He told you to do so that when life was over, one would be found worthy of being admitted to heaven.

Those found lacking in virtue would be denied entry to heaven and be turned over to the Devil and sentenced to eternal damnation -- to misery and suffering forever.

In the Image of God

Was the physical body we call "man" made in God's image? Or is it that "human beliefs about God were made in man's image?" Ancient humans, like people today, also looked for answers to the mysteries of life.

Who am I? Where did I come from? Why am I here. What happens after I die? Who made this place I'm in? Why do people die? What causes earth quakes, floods and the other natural disasters? I must have done something terrible. What could I have possible done that was so bad that I got sent here? How do I escape from all this grief, and all this misery and from all those big, powerful animals that want to eat me?

Life in ancient days was dangerous, short, and filled with things that had no explanation. Having no evidence to go on except what they experienced, ancient humans still searched desperately for answers. They made up stories to answer these unanswerable questions. These stories became legends. These legend, along with what humans were still experiencing, became the basis of what we, today, refer to as religious beliefs. Many present-day human beliefs have been handed down to us, generation after generation with little or no change. As an example, examine the beliefs humans have about God.°

Humans looked around and noticed that no matter which way they went the Earth appeared to be flat. Of course, in had mountains and valleys, but these seemed to be merely ups and downs on what appeared to be a flat Earth. There was no visible end to this flat Earth; at least, nobody ever reporting finding an end.

Humans looked up and, most of the time, saw bright sunshine and beautiful, white, billowy clouds. They felt the sun's warmth and gentle breezes. They saw the rains that fell and refreshed the land and caused the plants to grow. They noticed that when some of their fellow beings experienced what we, today, call near death experiences, most reported rising upwards in the direction of the sky and into a warm, inviting, welcoming light. The people reported seeing friendly beings waiting there to greet them. They concluded that good things came from above, and whoever lives up there must be good. Everybody wanted to go there.

They also notice that occasionally the earth they walked on did violent things. It shook violently and knocked things down. The mountains sometimes made terrible noises and spewed out smoke and fire and brimstone. When whatever was down there became angry it killed people and destroyed things. They conclude that bad thing came from beneath their feet. They also concluded that whoever or whatever lived down there must be bad and should be avoided. Nobody wanted to go there.

These experiences along with the natural human impulse to go toward that which felt good and away from that which felt bad were the inevitable foundations of legends, myths, and beliefs. Humans started appealing to the above to help them with life, to avoid their pain and to avoid whatever was beneath their feet. Nobody knew exactly who or what was above the clouds or who or what was below the Earth's surface, but humans believed that whatever was in these two places controlled human life. Humans appeared to be victims of circumstance.

The natural tendency was to translate the unknown into something known. The image of whatever was above their heads evolved into beliefs such as "God is above in heaven. The image of whatever was below their feet evolved into beliefs such as "Satan is below in hell." And naturally the descriptions of God followed the beliefs and experience of the people of that era. See the page titled: Imagine a God.°

So, were these people actually describing God? NO. Why not? Because whatever it is we call GOD, is still the ultimate mystery of life.° Instead, they created an image of God based on human beliefs.

What if the reverse were true? What if it was possible to create an image of man based on the attributes of God. Religious leaders claim to know what humans are, but are those claims accurate? We don't know what God is or isn't, but we can we use some common ideas and create hypothesis of what man might be if he were an image of God.

A logical hypothesis could include these characteristics: Man (and woman) is a creator. He is non-physical and, at the same time, lives is a physical body as if he/she were a physical body. He has/is eternal life. Birth and death are simply changes in form. As an analogy, one could think of birth and death as similar to the way an egg becomes a worm and then a butterfly which lays eggs. Consciousness controls physical experiences. Man is consciousness. God appears to be consciousness. Man (and woman) appear to be a part of God.

God would very likely place his consciousness into a physical vehicle as one of his/her/it's tools to experience Earth. God would then be a temporary dweller on Earth. For whatever it is we call God, living a life on Earth in a physical body would be an experience quite different from the non-physical world. To experience life as humans know it, He/She/It would probably need to block portions of His/her/its full memory. If God is everything, then humans, as pieces of God, would be walking around inside of God. God would very likely enter into many bodies and come to Earth numerous times.

All this is speculation, but are any of these possibilities any less believable than the present religious beliefs about God? What does the circumstantial evidence indicate? -- that man is a creator -- that man is a non-physical being who enters and temporarily use a physical body to experience life on Earth -- that life continues after the death of the physical body --that man is consciousness -- that man is a part of God.

All this is nice, but so what? What do you do with this information? The N.V.P. team recommends that you do nothing with it except hold each of these two conflicting perspectives as possibilities. Treat this information from the perspective of the beginners mind.° Neither accept it or reject it. Observe your life and see, hear, and feel what fits into your personal experience.

Miracles

There Appears to be Two Types of Miracles.

1) A normal, physical incident could be considered to be a miracle by those not understanding how the laws of the universe work. For example, a person might think that flight was a miracle if he/she had never seen an airplane and did not understand that the laws of aerodynamics were being used to countermand the law of gravity .

2) There are incidences, occurrences, and events for which humans simply have no explanation. They are commonly called acts of God. Whether they are actually God suspending the rules of reality or the result of one law countermanding another (such as the airplane described above) is unknown.

3) Still one more possibility: If The Universal Laws° are correct as we presently understand them, then humans, by the principle of collective consciousness, may be generating and/or directing the universal energy to manifest in the form that is perceived to be a miracle.

Humans simply do not have sufficient understanding to draw any "carved in stone" conclusions regarding what lies hidden behind an incident that is perceived to be a miracle.

A miracle, as perceived by the followers of the Christian religion, is a suspension of the rules of reality. It's considered to be God exercising His free will and infinite power.

The miracles that are experienced by some Christians may be completely true. There are times when no one can say with provable certainty that something is or is not a miracle. Regarding those incidents, one can only examine the evidence and then offer a theory about what actually occurred.

When one adds the Biblical passages such as John 14:12, Psalms 82:6, and Matthew 17:20° to an experience that is thought of as a miracle, it opens the possibility that the person experiencing the miracle may be, without consciously knowing it, actually exercising the God-power he has inherent within himself.

Unfortunately, there is significant evidence that the belief in miracles has been misused (and still is being misused) by some church leaders. When an ultra-conservative religious leader is challenged by lack of evidence or by countermanding evidence regarding one of his un-provable proclamations, he will often simply use the "this- was- a-miracle" response to defend his un-provable and yet cherished belief. He will declare that the occurrence is/was an act of God. This response can be used to deny any and all evidence and to defy common sense. Using this technique, anything can be declared to be the truth no matter how outlandish or absurd it is.

A miracle is also a way to provide an irrefutable answer to those who ask tough questions and to defend un-defendable beliefs such as the belief that the Christian Bible is to be interpreted literally. Here are five examples where Ultra-conservative Christian leaders claim that God has performed miracles: 1) God made the earth stand still for a day. 2) God had Jonah spend three days in the belly of a big fish and then be vomited up, safe and healthy, onto dry land. 3) God created the universe in six days - six Tuesday/Wednesday type of days. 4) "The Rapture" ° is still another of God's miracles. According to the true believers, "The Rapture" is due any day now. 5) God's instantaneous, supernatural, transcendental, conception, magic act.° is the most blatant and most often misused example of the proclamation that God performs miracles.

In a free society, believing in miracles is fine for those who choose to believe them. The problem comes when believers attempt to force their beliefs onto others by passing secular laws that are based on the belief in a miracle. The miracle called God's conception magic Act° is presently being misused to, among other things, collect millions of dollars from those who simply believe and who have never taken the time and effort to examined what the conception magic act really is.

Readers might also note the discrepancies in the Christian Bible between what God says and what he does. For example, God says He is loving and forgiving and, at the same time, He holds the longest grudge in all of human history.° He offers free will, but demands obedience under threat of eternal damnation. God is also attributed with numerous human-like personality traits such as being angry, vindictive, violent, et cetera. God has, on numerous occasions, committed mass genocide. And if Christian theology is correct, then God is also the world's most despicable baby murderer.°

Declaring reality via a miraculous act of God is also a clever way to control the beliefs of the mindless followers. Papal Infallibility° is a classic, present-day example of using declarations to create reality. Please also see the section titled: The Laws of the Universe Do NOT Make Exceptions.°

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Head, Heart, And Courage

Setting the Context:
The goal of the N.V.P. Team is NOT to deny or escape from our spiritual nature. That is literally impossible.° The goal is to investigate human spiritual nature -- to examine all the evidence that might give clues -- clues designed to provide the most plausible theories regarding answers to life's most mysterious questions -- to allow the truth to be the guiding light -- to welcome truth's destination, regardless of what that destination may be. In order to do this, the N.V.P. Team brings head and heart and courage together into a single package.

The Wizard of Oz as a Metaphor:
Three of the main characters in the Wizard of Oz offer an excellent metaphor for what (the evidence seems to indicate) is missing in the practice of some of the present-day religions. In the Oz story, the author takes his readers on a journey that suspends normal physical reality. He takes his readers into a fantasy world, and in symbolic form, offers a perspective about human life on planet Earth that is commonly overlooked.

In the Wizard of Oz, the Tin Man has no heart, the Scarecrow has no brain, and the Lion has no courage. The presumption in this story is that all three characteristics are required in order of be emotionally and psychologically healthy. Each character is presumed to have two of the three required attributes, but is missing the third. The story shows all three characters to be dysfunctional without the missing attribute and functional once the missing piece is added.

In relating this analogy to any religion that has a long-standing history of fixed and dogmatic beliefs, one could say that its leaders have no heart, its followers have no brain, and neither followers nor leaders have the courage to seek, find, express, and live by the truths which the evidence gives them. How can such an outlandish statement be true? Simply examine the evidence and see for yourself.

The Leaders:
The men who lead the right-wing, ultra-conservative Christian movement take actions that, on the surface seem kind, loving, and well-meaning. Unfortunately, upon examining what they actually do and looking at the consequences of their actions, one sees them to be quite the opposite. These are intelligent men. They cannot claim ignorance. Unless they are deeply deluded and in denial, or unless they are religiously insane, they must know what they are doing. The evidence pointing to their intentional, heartless behavior is overwhelming.

But please don't believe or disbelieve this without first examining the evidence for your self. Examine these web pages: Addressing the Moral Values Issue° / What They Actually Do° / What They Ignore in Their Own Bible° / How They Deceive Others with Lies of Omission° / Their Unethical and Immoral Behavior,° / Why They Do What They Do,° / The Techniques They Use,° / The Company They Keep,° / The Inevitable Consequences of Their Actions,° / and The Ancient and Un-provable Fairytale° that their entire anti-choice war is based on. With this much evidence all pointing in the same direction, one has to seriously question their motives.

The Followers:
With their minds turned off, the followers of conservative Christianity do as they are told, without question. For example, in the 2004 Presidential election, twenty-two percent of the electorate voted for what they believed to be the candidate with the highest moral values. In reality, these people did not vote for moral values. They voted for a bastardized version of fundamentalist Christian theology. ^1** Most of these people were believers in conservative Christian theology and ardent followers of their church leaders. They voted with their minds turned off. They voted exactly as their church leaders told them to vote.

To see the devastating consequences of mindless obedience to religious leaders in the United States, please go to the page titled, Voting for God° You might also note that mindless, religious obedience is also the major problem in Middle Eastern politics.

1** For an in-depth discussion of the difference between moral values and Christian theology, see the page titled:
The Truth About "Moral Values"°

Leaders and Followers:
Neither leaders nor followers appear to have the courage to seek, find, express, and live by the truth which the evidence provides. Such behavior is seriously dysfunctional, and because of the vast number of people involved, it's creating major, irreversible, long-term problems for all of humanity and for all the other life forms on planet Earth.°

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The Origin of The Old Boy's Club:

Sometime after Jesus left the planet, a self-focused group of opportunists found a way to turn his teachings into a tool to control the masses and a tool to create a self-perpetuating cash cow.° In those days, power, wealth, and control was passed on to the next generation by way of family ties. The eldest son traditionally took charge when the father died.

This pattern was abandoned by the early Christian leaders and replaced by a method which passed power and control on to fellow church leaders. Lineage was declared to be a function of the in-group's choosing. This new structure was labeled as "Apostolic Succession." Thus was born the most famous and longest-lasting "old boys club" in all of recorded history. Even today, women are considered second class citizens and some cub members even claim that their leader is infallible.

During the early years of this club's existence, all evidence and all writings of those not in the in-group were systematically destroyed. Arson and murder were considered an acceptable method of eliminating the opposition.° For a peak into the life in those times, readers are directed to the section titled:

The Death of The Old Boy's Club: Unfortunately for today's "old boys," the club, as it is currently being run, is dying. The club does not address the needs of the people. It refuses to even look at the vast amount of new evidence available. It remains an all or nothing club with the motto, "Take all of it as we give it or leave." They then ignore the fact that millions have chosen to leave.

The Reasonable Project is a way to, symbolically speaking, raise the Phoenix from the ashes and give new life to a dying social structure. Page 4 - An Alternative Vision of Life° offers examples of how to do this.

Incongruencies and Self-Contradictions

Readers may have noticed that there are some Biblical passages that are simply mind boggling. There are just no explanations for these incongruencies and self-contradictions. The ultra-conservative leaders demand that their followers believe and accept every word in the Christian Bible as the literal word of God, but in order to believe in the complete package, numerous Biblical passages must be ignored.

A clear example of an internal contradiction occurs in the Book of Genesis. According to the Christian Bible, Eve and Adam were the first humans God ever created, but the same book also says that after Eve and Adam's son Cain murdered his brother Able, Cane went out and "took a wife." There is simply no explanation as to where the wife came from. And in genesis 2:10-14, God has rivers running backwards. Do you know of any rivers on Earth that divide and go in four different directions?

Still another example also occurs in the book of Genesis. Genesis 1:26, 11:7, and 3:22 make references to multiple Gods. Since the Conservative church leaders claim there is only one God, who and what are these other God's?

And then there's the question of God's motivation. Why did God do all those strange, cruel, and hurtful things? For example, why didn't God give Eve and Adam an apple from the second tree giving them eternal life like the gods had? When one notes the behavior of God at the tower of Babel (Genesis 11:6-9) where God took away the power of humans to do whatever they chose to do. Doesn't this same God say that humans are to have free will? And why did God engage in so many instances of mass genocide? See the page titled: Imagine a God Like this.°

And there's still the unanswered question of what was it that Eve and Adam actually ate. If, as some claim, that the forbidden fruit was actually "the knowledge of good and evil," then perhaps God should eat a bushel of those apples himself. From his behavior, one could easily conclude that God, Himself, does not yet know the difference.

In a world where love, care, consideration for others, consistency, predictability, and dependability are valued human characteristics in any close relationship, God, ranks between zero and F-. Where do you suppose this so-called-god came from, anyway? Is it possible that the god of the Eve and Adam story was an imposter pretending to be God? Pretend for a moment that you were God in this story. Imagine how you, as a real loving and compassionate god, would act in such a situation. For a more complete analysis of the Eve and Adam story, readers are invited to the page titled: Eve and the Forbidden Fruit.°

For a different perspective on what God is or isn't, for a perspective that brings one's mind into one's religious beliefs, readers are directed to the page titled: Beliefs about God.°

Countermanding Evidence,
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Countermanding Evidence: There is also the issue of countermanding evidence. For example, the ultra-conservative Christians claim that a human being is his/her body. But the present-day, scientific evidence tells us that physical matter is not physical at all. It's actually energy which is controlled by consciousness. If human beings are not physical bodies, then what are we?° This entire area of discussion is simply ignored.

No Evidence At All: And then there are the claims that are simply made up to give the impression that the leaders have answers to unanswerable questions. The ultra-conservative Christians continue to claim that God created every human being as a physical body at conception° in spite of the fact that they have no evidence whatsoever to back up this claim.°

Defending The Lie

The fundamentalist Christians spend an inordinate amount of time, energy, and money defending what they must know is a lie. Wouldn't you think it would be so much simpler to "fess up" and admit to having been wrong.

Unfortunately for everyone, the chances of the Church leaders actually moving our of their self-imposed prison is somewhere between nil and none for two main reasons: First, current beliefs are very thoroughly entrenched into the minds of their sheep and second, the church leaders thrive on the attention and money that controversy generates. See the section titled: Controversy Sells! And it's a multi-billion dollar business.°

The church leaders could easily get out of their one way alley to nowhere by acknowledging the truth. For an example of how this could be done, see the section titled: Sorry Folks, We Screwed Up.°

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